<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>"Not cisco gear..."--meaning not cisco gear in the past or do you break out in hives if you touch cisco gear and won't be useful? :-)</div><div><br></div><div>We could have used you in the Washington Hilton! Who would have thought that above the domed ceiling of the ballroom would have been filthy--and secret service tape everywhere.<br><br></div><div>Chris.<br><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Chris Elliott</div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Jun 25, 2010, at 5:10 PM, Rob Nagy <<a href="mailto:rob@deepdivenetworking.com">rob@deepdivenetworking.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>For those who don't know me... Jim means my specialty is jamming gear in ceilings and crawl spaces, and other locations not designed for gear. Preferably with a drain pipe I have to shimmy across. Not cisco gear...<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jun 25, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Jim Martin <<a href="mailto:jim@daedelus.com"><a href="mailto:jim@daedelus.com">jim@daedelus.com</a></a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Also, Rob Nagy has already volunteered to do this install ... it's a bit of his specialty ;-)<div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>- Jim</div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 25, 2010, at 12:10 PM, Chris Elliott wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Geert,</div><div><br></div><div>We'd be using the 3560-E PoE switches in this location. Here's the physical specs:</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 13px; "><table border="1" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="80%" bordercolor="#ADADAD" id="wp9000017table4000002"><tbody><tr align="left" valign="top"><td colspan="2" rowspan="1"><a name="wp9000358"></a><p class="pChart_bodyCMT" style="color: black; font-family: Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-left: 3pt; margin-right: 3pt; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0pt; text-transform: none; margin-bottom: 3pt; margin-top: 3pt; ">3560E-48PD</p></td><td colspan="5" rowspan="1"><a name="wp9000360"></a><p class="pChart_bodyCMT" style="color: black; font-family: Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-left: 3pt; margin-right: 3pt; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0pt; text-transform: none; margin-bottom: 3pt; margin-top: 3pt; ">1.75 x 17.5 x 18.1"</p></td><td colspan="2" rowspan="1"><a name="wp9000365"></a><p class="pChart_bodyCMT" style="color: black; font-family: Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-left: 3pt; margin-right: 3pt; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0pt; text-transform: none; margin-bottom: 3pt; margin-top: 3pt; ">4.45 x 44.5 x 46.0 cm</p><div><br></div></td></tr></tbody></table></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 13px; "><table border="1" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="80%" bordercolor="#ADADAD" id="wp9000017table4000002"><tbody><tr align="left" valign="top"><td colspan="2" rowspan="1"><a name="wp9000438"></a><p class="pChart_bodyCMT" style="color: black; font-family: Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-left: 3pt; margin-right: 3pt; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0pt; text-transform: none; margin-bottom: 3pt; margin-top: 3pt; ">3560E-48PD</p></td><td colspan="5" rowspan="1"><a name="wp9000440"></a><p class="pChart_bodyCMT" style="color: black; font-family: Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-left: 3pt; margin-right: 3pt; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0pt; text-transform: none; margin-bottom: 3pt; margin-top: 3pt; ">19.2 lbs</p></td><td colspan="2" rowspan="1"><a name="wp9000445"></a><p class="pChart_bodyCMT" style="color: black; font-family: Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-left: 3pt; margin-right: 3pt; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0pt; text-transform: none; margin-bottom: 3pt; margin-top: 3pt; ">8.75 kg</p></td></tr></tbody></table></span><div><br></div><div>From:</div><div><br></div><a href="http://cisco.biz/en/US/prod/collateral/switches/ps5718/ps7078/product_data_sheet0900aecd805bac22.html"></a><a href="http://cisco.biz/en/US/prod/collateral/switches/ps5718/ps7078/product_data_sheet0900aecd805bac22.html"><a href="http://cisco.biz/en/US/prod/collateral/switches/ps5718/ps7078/product_data_sheet0900aecd805bac22.html">http://cisco.biz/en/US/prod/collateral/switches/ps5718/ps7078/product_data_sheet0900aecd805bac22.html</a></a></div><div><br></div><div>So they're 1 RU, but deep and a bit heavy. However, I think we can get them up there--we've had worse challenges, believe me! And the benefits are various:</div><div><br></div><div> - No need for injectors</div><div> - Known switch</div><div> - Same as other switches in network</div><div> - Our management is already set up<br><div><br></div><div>Let me know if you think it will be impossible or extremely difficult to transport these switches up there.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div>Chris.</div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Chris Elliott</div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Jun 25, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Geert Jan de Groot <<a href="mailto:geertj@nsrc.org"></a><a href="mailto:geertj@nsrc.org"><a href="mailto:geertj@nsrc.org">geertj@nsrc.org</a></a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span></span><br><span>What's the specs (size, weight) of the PoE-switches that you plan to use</span><br><span>for SER2? The access hole to that rack is really small and cramped,</span><br><span>and I do wonder if we can use the existing HP4000 (for which we'll</span><br><span>have full access, including mgmt) and loose power inserters</span><br><span>instead of another PoE-switch that we'll need to lift to the ceiling.</span><br><span></span><br><span>There is plenty of space in the rack. The challenge will be to</span><br><span>bring the equipment through the ceiling hole.</span><br><span></span><br><span>SER2 is *above* the door at picture</span><br><span><a href="http://psg.com/~geertj/ietf78/pics/expohal/tn/IMG_5590.JPG.html"></a><a href="http://psg.com/~geertj/ietf78/pics/expohal/tn/IMG_5590.JPG.html"><a href="http://psg.com/~geertj/ietf78/pics/expohal/tn/IMG_5590.JPG.html">http://psg.com/~geertj/ietf78/pics/expohal/tn/IMG_5590.JPG.html</a></a></span><br><span>Open the door, find a small, cramped room, step in, bring down</span><br><span>temp aluminium ladder, climb ladder, which is a bit of a challenge.</span><br><span></span><br><span>"bring old clothes".</span><br><span></span><br><span>SER1 and SER3 is not nearly as difficult.</span><br><span></span><br><span>GJ</span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>ietf78-tech mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:ietf78-tech@daedelus.com"></a><a href="mailto:ietf78-tech@daedelus.com"><a href="mailto:ietf78-tech@daedelus.com">ietf78-tech@daedelus.com</a></a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.daedelus.com/mailman/listinfo/ietf78-tech"></a><a href="http://www.daedelus.com/mailman/listinfo/ietf78-tech"><a href="http://www.daedelus.com/mailman/listinfo/ietf78-tech">http://www.daedelus.com/mailman/listinfo/ietf78-tech</a></a></span><br></div></blockquote></div>_______________________________________________<br>ietf78-tech mailing list<br><a href="mailto:ietf78-tech@daedelus.com"></a><a href="mailto:ietf78-tech@daedelus.com"><a href="mailto:ietf78-tech@daedelus.com">ietf78-tech@daedelus.com</a></a><br><a href="http://www.daedelus.com/mailman/listinfo/ietf78-tech"></a><a href="http://www.daedelus.com/mailman/listinfo/ietf78-tech"><a href="http://www.daedelus.com/mailman/listinfo/ietf78-tech">http://www.daedelus.com/mailman/listinfo/ietf78-tech</a></a><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>ietf78-tech mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:ietf78-tech@daedelus.com"><a href="mailto:ietf78-tech@daedelus.com">ietf78-tech@daedelus.com</a></a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.daedelus.com/mailman/listinfo/ietf78-tech"><a href="http://www.daedelus.com/mailman/listinfo/ietf78-tech">http://www.daedelus.com/mailman/listinfo/ietf78-tech</a></a></span><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></body></html>