<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Gentlepeople,<div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Here's a bit more on the NAT64 stuff. </div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Russ, do you have an opinion?</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>- Jim</div><div><br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Marc Blanchet <<a href="mailto:marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca">marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">July 22, 2010 3:41:16 PM GMT+02:00<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Jim Martin <<a href="mailto:jim@daedelus.com">jim@daedelus.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">"<a href="mailto:'Simon.Perreault@viagenie.ca">'Simon.Perreault@viagenie.ca</a>'" <<a href="mailto:Simon.Perreault@viagenie.ca">Simon.Perreault@viagenie.ca</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><b>Re: nat64 experiment</b><br></span></div><br><div>Le 10-07-22 09:30, Jim Martin a écrit :<br><blockquote type="cite">Marc,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I spoke with Russ about this today, and he was asking about the goals of the experiment. We're not trying to be difficult, but we have a lot of "experimental" aspects to this meeting's network, and Russ is hoping to focus on things that will move IETF work forward. Could you write up a few words on your goals?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><br>In pretty near future, no more IPv4 addresses will be available. Therefore, we will have IPv6-only networks. NAT64 is one technology highly considered by providers to access the IPv4 Internet (or IPv4 networks) through an IPv6-only access network. The experiment is to run the service, on a opt-in basis, by the IETF users so that we can collect data on which protocols, hosts, OS, applications work and do not work with NAT64. We ran the first experiment during Anaheim IETF and the results were presented at the friday behave wg session. The results were highly appreciated and there was a room concensus to continue the experiment in the next IETF to get more data. We intend to at least present the results of the experiment during the last of the week behave wg session and possibly in an internet-draft. The data also is relevant to any IPv6-only network deployment.<br><br>Finally, It is possible that at some point in time, the IETF network may run this technology when the IETF network will be IPv6-only. While we are not there yet, appropriate data will help ensure it will go smoothly when that time arrives.<br><br>Regards, Marc.<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Also, do you need the ssid to be a broadcast SSID? We're going to have quite a number of ssid's and if we broadcast this, we'll need to get an announcement out to the 78attendees list ASAP.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Thanks!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>- Jim<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 22, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Marc Blanchet wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">- one RJ-45 ethernet port with two VLANs:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> 1. one vlan on the ietf network backbone with:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> a) two IPv4 static addresses,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> b) one IPv6 static address,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> c) and an IPv6 /64 prefix routed to the IPv6 static address in b).<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> 2. one vlan on the "ietf-nat64" wifi ssid.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Regards, Marc.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Le 10-07-22 06:26, Jim Martin a écrit :<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Marc,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>We're pretty busy, but willing to consider it. Could you detail your requirements and goals again?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>- Jim<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 21, 2010, at 9:18 PM, Marc Blanchet wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">can't find a reply from you. I guess you are busy. Ok to proceed as Anaheim?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Marc.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Le 10-07-01 15:58, Marc Blanchet a écrit :<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Jim,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">during Anaheim behave wg friday session, we have presented results of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">our nat64 experiment. There was large support in the room to continue<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">doing that experiment in the next ietfs to collect useful operational<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">data for the protocols and what works and not.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">therefore, we would like to setup our nat64 box again in Maastricht.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">ok by you?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Marc.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">=========<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley. <a href="http://www.ipv6book.ca">http://www.ipv6book.ca</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Stun/Turn server for VoIP NAT-FW traversal: <a href="http://numb.viagenie.ca">http://numb.viagenie.ca</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">DTN news service: <a href="http://reeves.viagenie.ca">http://reeves.viagenie.ca</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">NAT64-DNS64 Opensource: <a href="http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca">http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">=========<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley. <a href="http://www.ipv6book.ca">http://www.ipv6book.ca</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Stun/Turn server for VoIP NAT-FW traversal: <a href="http://numb.viagenie.ca">http://numb.viagenie.ca</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">DTN news service: <a href="http://reeves.viagenie.ca">http://reeves.viagenie.ca</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">NAT64-DNS64 Opensource: <a href="http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca">http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><br><br>-- <br>=========<br>IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley. <a href="http://www.ipv6book.ca">http://www.ipv6book.ca</a><br>Stun/Turn server for VoIP NAT-FW traversal: <a href="http://numb.viagenie.ca">http://numb.viagenie.ca</a><br>DTN news service: <a href="http://reeves.viagenie.ca">http://reeves.viagenie.ca</a><br>NAT64-DNS64 Opensource: <a href="http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca">http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>