[ietf85-tech] Minutes 2012-10-05 (you get what you get)

[Bjoern A. Zeeb]

Hi,

sorry for the slight delay;  I needed some time off after the call; my
thoughts were elsewhere.

Please find my bad scriblings below and send corrections or space fillers
as necessary;  voice quality sometimes wasn't tuned well for my
ISDN-quality different language tuned ears and addmitingly I cannot
read all my hand writing anymore.  Was quite a bit this time.


Participants:
volunteers: bz, jim, chelliot, joel, wej(?), warren
Verilan:  Lance, Rick, Nick
Comcast: Tony Tauber, JJ Brzozowoski

Jim:
 	- Nick, Marcia and Jim did a site visit Monday
 	- met with Fred Swan(?) from Comcast
 	- met with James?? - IT guy
 	- met with Jenifer - conference manager
 	- PSAV

 	- used to use comcast for guest rooms; switched to sth sat based
 	- comcast fiber+stuff decomissioned
 	- MDF and fiber in different places
 	- hopes Fred Swan, Comcast can extend fiber with Hilton
 	- Ciena(?) DWDM box worry
 		- > stick in "IETF" rack

Tony:
 	(update)
 	- confirmed fiber is there
 	- temporary racks installation

 	~Jim
 	~Lance

Jim:
 	- Lenny ACK getting routers + long haul optics
 	- MM short range from Fred/Comcast

 	TODO: ACLs for IETF netblocks to Tony

(that was external)


Jim:	(internal)		[ | Nick ]

Nick:	'have a lot of notes, busy with other cust.'

Jim:	meeting space
 	- bad: up to 9 IDFs
 	- good, will only use/need:
 	- 2nd floor: 3 IDFs
 	- 1st floor: 1 IDF    (only 1/3rd of wing by us; unused
 				meeting room + someone else?)
 	- PSAV space <-- told:
 	- unpatching their copper, patching our switches, should not
 	  need to tunnel them.
 	  "simple takeover"
 	- onsite folks go through ? to turn off APs

Nick:	~ 12 8port Cisco to help out   | Rick

Jim:	- single copper run to rooms; need lots of little switches

 	- right next to NOC -> secretariate
 	- Terminal room
 	- down the hall someone else, no inet needed, hotel tries to
           move them (?)

 	"NOC lovely"

Jim:	public space
 	- bizzar
 	- only 2 APs:
 		- bar "souther expressions", large space
 		- grab-n-go
 		- up in ceiling
 		- fundamentally agrreed to replace these
 		- copper runs to MDF
 	- 2 copper drops to large seeting room "living room area"(??)
 		- we will put APs in that area
 	- 2 more restaurants (down and top), no infrastructure
 		-> will not cover
 	- AT&T public connect; move over copper (?)

 	- guest rooms,  complete takeover?
 		- James
 			- felt comfy, simple, useful+interesting, lack
 			  of detailed lower layer knowledge
 		- Jenifer
 			- 1 cable -> easy recovery
 			- paying 'damages' to each IETF guest on a 2h
 			  supotimal / day  (old contract)

 		- James talked to (AT&T?) person "we" dealt with at
 		  Hilton SanFrisco
 			- guestrooms routing on each switch on each
 			  floor;  AP, and Ethernet per room
 			- not enough tech knowledge

 		- upcoming talk AT&T, Hilton, Jim

 		- "last possibility"  "Emulate NAT gateway"
 			- can we on M7i? (Jim)
 			- should be Ok (Warren)

 		- Bob + Ray joined as well  (???)

 		- clear confirmation from James to "make it happen"

 		- Joel: 1:1 NAT at worst, run out of state, 100f flows
 		  maybe, reduced capacity

 	- Hotel: worried about liability + guest service issues
 		- Bob + Ray + Barbara(?) calling in Hitol reps(?)
 			 - has helped in the past

 	- All on-site: "need a solution that will work"

 	- early next week -> updates,  AT&T call
 	  "how do we actually make it happen kind of call"

 	- Good news:  each room has Ethernet to switch to MDF
 		- however: some switches seem daisy-chained
 		- Performance issues?
 		- Is L2-infrastructure clean?

 	- b/g wifi   [[ sorry, VoIP &^%$#$%, I had packet loss ]]

[ more chatter on NAT and Junipers ]

Joel:  if we need a professional NAT device it can possibly be
 	      arranged

Jim:	more next week


Jim:	to Warren:  servers

Warren:
 	- not planned to provide those
 	- if absolutely required I can go and see
 	- 3 permanently asisgned; then stick in box


- Comcast?

JJB:	- would need to know by Monday

 	Old ones: 2950s corrected to r710s  (see email to list)
 	- Need ESXi support

JJB:	= had predesessors
 	- need ship to address
 	- pre-installed?

Joel:	- r610s would be fine

Jim:	- send to list + Cc: JJB

 	[JJB mailing list recv issues clarifications ]


Jim:	- thanks to Comcast!   (and thanks to Warren as backup)

 	- get something to the kit before Orlando
 	- Warren might ask?

Jim:	open issues?

JJB:	Bits & bites network connectivity
 	Where will the B&B be?
 	Connectivity from Comcast to B&B?

Jim:	- 2nd floor, meeting space, number of jacks
 	- 800Mbit/s -> Router
 	- 200Mbit/s -> our core
 		- VLAN as L2 extension to B&B room
 		- switch, drop off as access port

JJB:	- need L3 router

Jim:	extend wire, otherwise can do sth else?

JJB:	done at NANOG

 	[[ again, sorry, VoIP &^%$#$%^&*, packet loss ]]

 	sounded "good"

Jim:	can't physically extend cable most likely

JJB/Jim:	[ mailing list clarifications ]



Chelliot:
 	- prepare for iPhone5 + 5Ghz issues

Jim:	ietf-bg?

 	[ discussions ]

Cheliot:
 	- currently with AirPOrt Extreme; will test on IETF AP

 	[ chatter ]

Chelliot:
 	- apologize to Warren for server confusion

Warren:
 	- poke people; IETF shipping
 	- owned by G!, permanent loand to IETF?
 	gets ACK

bz:
 	- working on certs and Windows 8 attribute research,
 	  most busy week of the year here, no replied, still looking

bz:
 	- to destroy aeh update the VMs

Jim:
 	- will send update to the list next Mon/Tue



Happy weekend,
/bz

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Bjoern A. Zeeb                                 You have to have visions!
          Stop bit received. Insert coin for new address family.