<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>A voice from the past ... :-)<div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>- Jim</div><div><br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Geert Jan de Groot <<a href="mailto:geertj@psg.com">geertj@psg.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><b>Virtual beer for the IETF NOC team..</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">March 13, 2013 3:22:09 PM EDT<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Jim Martin <<a href="mailto:jim@daedelus.com">jim@daedelus.com</a>><br></span></div><br><div><br>Hi,<br><br>You probably saw me quietly reading in on the NOC traffic.<br>I hope you don't mind; I'm trying to learn from your experiences<br>and what's in the NOC stays in the NOC - really!<br><br>It's great to read about you guys, and some things really really<br>don't change. Sorry about the lack of sleep (again!)<br><br>I'd buy you guys a round or two but I'm in Eindhoven so that will<br>have to wait till another time.<br><br>I do wonder sometimes whether IETF-NOC experiences should be valid<br>IETF input. Rogue RA's will be there for the forseeable future;<br>non-RA-guard capable hotel network kit will be around for a long time,<br>the question is whether a different approach (adding a network name filtering<br>thing with certificates in RA's?) would stand any chance?<br><br>In any case, enjoy the IETF, get some sleep, and say hi to the guys<br>from me!<br><br>Geert Jan<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>