[ietf78-tech] Fwd: nat64 experiment

[Randy Bush]

look, i am the guy whose ranting in chicago got nat-pt out of the trash
heap and back alive (renamed nat64 and dns64 or whatever they are this
week).  $dayjob even needs it/them.

but i still do not understand the proposed experiment.  and it will need
to be explained in a way the most sociopathic ietf list participant will
understand and not be able to attack.

some portions of the message sound like user data capture and retention,
which will raise massive alarms.

randy


>> In pretty near future, no more IPv4 addresses will be
>> available. Therefore, we will have IPv6-only networks. NAT64 is one
>> technology highly considered by providers to access the IPv4 Internet
>> (or IPv4 networks) through an IPv6-only access network. The
>> experiment is to run the service, on a opt-in basis, by the IETF
>> users so that we can collect data on which protocols, hosts, OS,
>> applications work and do not work with NAT64. We ran the first
>> experiment during Anaheim IETF and the results were presented at the
>> friday behave wg session. The results were highly appreciated and
>> there was a room concensus to continue the experiment in the next
>> IETF to get more data. We intend to at least present the results of
>> the experiment during the last of the week behave wg session and
>> possibly in an internet-draft. The data also is relevant to any
>> IPv6-only network deployment.
>> 
>> Finally, It is possible that at some point in time, the IETF network
>> may run this technology when the IETF network will be IPv6-only.
>> While we are not there yet, appropriate data will help ensure it
>> will go smoothly when that time arrives.
>> 
>> Regards, Marc.
>> 
>>> 	Also, do you need the ssid to be a broadcast SSID? We're going
>>> 	to have quite a number of ssid's and if we broadcast this, we'll
>>> 	need to get an announcement out to the 78attendees list ASAP.
>>> 
>>> 	Thanks!
>>> 
>>> 	- Jim
>>> 
>>> On Jul 22, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Marc Blanchet wrote:
>>> 
>>>> - one RJ-45 ethernet port with two VLANs:
>>>>  1. one vlan on the ietf network backbone with:
>>>>    a) two IPv4 static addresses,
>>>>    b) one IPv6 static address,
>>>>    c) and an IPv6 /64 prefix routed to the IPv6 static address in b).
>>>>  2. one vlan on the "ietf-nat64" wifi ssid.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards, Marc.
>>>> 
>>>> Le 10-07-22 06:26, Jim Martin a écrit :
>>>>> Marc,
>>>>> 	We're pretty busy, but willing to consider it. Could you detail your requirements and goals again?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	- Jim
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 21, 2010, at 9:18 PM, Marc Blanchet wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> can't find a reply from you. I guess you are busy. Ok to proceed as Anaheim?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Le 10-07-01 15:58, Marc Blanchet a écrit :
>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>> during Anaheim behave wg friday session, we have presented results of
>>>>>>> our nat64 experiment. There was large support in the room to continue
>>>>>>> doing that experiment in the next ietfs to collect useful operational
>>>>>>> data for the protocols and what works and not.
>>>>>>> therefore, we would like to setup our nat64 box again in Maastricht.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ok by you?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Marc.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> =========
>>>>>> IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley. http://www.ipv6book.ca
>>>>>> Stun/Turn server for VoIP NAT-FW traversal: http://numb.viagenie.ca
>>>>>> DTN news service: http://reeves.viagenie.ca
>>>>>> NAT64-DNS64 Opensource: http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> =========
>>>> IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley. http://www.ipv6book.ca
>>>> Stun/Turn server for VoIP NAT-FW traversal: http://numb.viagenie.ca
>>>> DTN news service: http://reeves.viagenie.ca
>>>> NAT64-DNS64 Opensource: http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> =========
>> IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley. http://www.ipv6book.ca
>> Stun/Turn server for VoIP NAT-FW traversal: http://numb.viagenie.ca
>> DTN news service: http://reeves.viagenie.ca
>> NAT64-DNS64 Opensource: http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca